Started by donnaforex, Nov 08, 2013, 10:46 pm
i thought most of forex teachers are financially free and immensely profitable from trading their own methods , that is why they can use their strategy to teach....why are you broke?
Well would hate to see the novel you would have written if you *had* been looking for a pissing contest.In any event, I'm not going to waste time on your infantile ravings any further.Bottom line, one of us is pimping a product. One of us isnt. I offered a review, and I gave it as I said I would. You had a tantrum because you didnt like the outcome, as all bad attitude vendors do. Not my concern, and I dont care. Please feel free to keep rambling about all of your successful students, I'm very happy for them. Maybe they can all take up a collection with the their massive profits to buy you a shiny new bicycle to get around on.
Well BOFX, I'm sure that with this incredible rant you have convinced most people to forget any possible dealings with you. Next time I suggest you have a long mellow out period before responding to something that upsets you. Especially if you are selling a product and trying to develop a good image.Good luck,Rod
BOFX, controversy is good for traffic, that much is true.Just to get this clear, this system is available for free, right? What you are selling, is your expertise in trading said system, your experience and coaching?If this is the case, then i strongly feel you need to reconsider how you present your service. As it is you are presenting it as a full system of your own, which is exactly what people right here are making their opinions based on. To someone who knows you well, you could be great, but to any random internet trader browsing your offering, they only see what you present to them on the sales page. Now, i'm no sales guru, i can't stand marketing, but i do know that if you want people on your side you need to connect with them and be clear about exactly what you are doing so that there are no disappointments.Forums, like this one, offer that 'connection' i'm talking about, even if your sales page sucks, you get a chance to show who you are and how you work through more personal communication. Controversy, is good to a point, as you mentioned, you get traffic. To convert that controversy into sales though, the controversy really needs to be centered around something that gets other people debating stuff (perhaps a way out there theory eg, "markets move with moon cycles!" which ends up getting backed by others purely because it actually works for you and they want to replicate it, then others come in and counter that argument and so on), not that gets everyone disliking you. The people that are watching right now are not curious buyers, they are mostly people who enjoy getting the popcorn out, or, how when you drive past a car crash you can't help but slow down and look. You know you shouldn't but you just can't help it.My suggestion to you would be to change the angle which you market this if you want to make it a serious proposition. Be upfront about it being a system that can be got for free from somewhere else and market your personal coaching instead. If this is what your service is, then this is what you should be doing. It would cut out all the issues with people feeling like you are selling something freely available. Depending on where you want to go with it i suggest the following too:- Create a website, even a very basic one. This is very accessible these days even if you don't have much cash. If you have 15 students as you say then you could easily do this. I started donnaforex with an investment of $30. It's cheaper than that even nowadays and many hosts will give you free templates that are easy to set up with no coding knowledge (i had zero knowledge when i started too).- Offer links to the free product on your website. Show people how they can get the system for free. Give them some basic instruction on how the system works. - Sell your skills and expertise. Many traders may feel lost when they download the system and try using it, they may feel unsure of what they are doing. Then they'll want extra help from you, let them buy that.- Start a myfxbook or other stats. Whether you have $100 in there or $10 million it makes no difference, just GET ONE GOING. It'll make a big difference to the number of people who give the free system a go (and consequently, want to replicate your better results by getting the mentoring).- Work on your communication skills. Communication is everything when you are mentoring. Even if you are a skilled mentor already, this is something we should never give up on. As a mentor it's important you create rapport with your traders, no one is going to pay to spend time communicating with someone that drives them mad, even if you have something amazing on offer. Working in FX, you need to pay extra care with certain elements - you will (or should) be teaching your students good psychology (risk management, rule following) as part of their trading and it will be hard to do so if you are unable to demonstrate that you also have these skills... this is just one example, but you should think to yourself "what makes a good trader?" and then "How can i demonstrate this in my everyday communications with people?" and "Is anything i'm doing or saying right now, conflicting with how I should be?" (assuming that you do infact know what you are doing... i haven't spoken to you enough to know this). This can actually have a big impact on you personally and help you dig deep into those niggly issues you may have with your own trading, it's worth exploring this issue whether you sell something or not... it certainly helped me.- Do more stuff for free. You need to show people who you are and what kind of teaching you provide. You are an unknown entity, no one has any real history for you, we don't know who you are. Buying coaching/mentoring is very personal to folk, unless you are really selling a simple email course (in which case, you still need to give more... and perhaps lower your price). re. being poor or rich. The general assumption is that if you are a trader you are well off. This isn't always true. I come from a very poor background myself, my mother and father "worked for God" full time from when i was around 5 years old and i grew up depending on charity and kind people around us to feed and clothe us. Whatever your circumstance, you should use that as a motivation to push forwards. In my case, growing up with nothing both taught me that money isn't everything and that i COULD survive on next to nothing (helpful vs the 'rich' folk who may fear money so much because they are scared of losing it all), whilst at the same time giving me this passion and desire to push forward with trading and to make a positive change for my own life, to make it what i want it to be. Only having $200 to trade with is NOT a reason to not have a live account and to be regularly trading it, i do hope you are doing this. As much as you don't want to work for other people, if you are genuinely good at trading, then it is a great way to build up your trading account... taking on an extra $100 of work a week and you'll have a $5200 account after just one year, a hell of a lot better than a $200 account, plus you'll be one year more experienced and hopefully will have gotten yourself better known in trading communities and you'll find all kind of options become available to you.It feels to me as though you are still very young in your trading journey and experience. Throwing yourself into selling a service, an expensive one, at such a time is both a very brave thing to do, and something which can ultimately ruin you at what is a really important stage of your own trader development. I don't want to discourage you and i see that you are very genuine in what you are trying to do, but the route you are going down is not going to end very well... this message is i hope, going to encourage you to think about where you can best focus your efforts to reach the 'goal' whilst keeping your integrity and sanity intact.
oops..maybe i should apologise for not saying it clearer ..i read this" Yes, I'm a broke 20s, and I'm proud of that because money doesn't define me unlike you. I have a busy and happy life outside forex unlike you. I'm just pointing to a FACTUALLY CORRECT STATEMENT where you made a terrible mistake scamming people in the past. I would never do that. I would never go that low for money."so i am just curious with a few students ( who paid) and a profitable strategy that you used and therefore able to use that to teach, why will one be using the word broke? i am just finding it hard to connect that a good mentor with a profitable strategy that works for himself and using that same strategy to teach ( and therefore that is the real reason why people will sign up , paid to learn) will use the word broke. I am not saying in anyway whether you sold your soul for money or whatever that was said...just that the word " broke" from any person who is selling or teaching a system sounds pretty weird to me. just like a mentor selling a system but says he is not in profits at the same time.apologies if i am not clear on that.
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